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What do I need to go sprinting?

Post by Carl S » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:39 am

Hi guys, haven't competed for a few years, have my overalls and helmet from about 4 years ago. If I wanted to enter the sprint royale in October what do I need ? I assume a msa licence, will my current helmet and overalls be ok?
Has much changed in regards to the car if I run in road going class anything special needed apart from the timing beam breaking bar on the front bumper ?

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Re: What do I need to go sprinting?

Post by cartledge_uk » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:18 am

You will need:
Msa sprint license ~£25
Overalls to spec
Helmet to spec
Gloves to spec - newish rule don't buy expensive ones, no name ones are available for reasonable money.

Devise to break the timing beam
Green and yellow tape on your battery earth lead
A bit of white tape with an arrow on stuck next to your ignition switch to show which way to turn it off.

And that's it!

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Re: What do I need to go sprinting?

Post by Horney » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:45 am

I'm thinking about this as well and have some further questions.

What is the spec for the overlalls and helmet?
Harnesses and bucket seat- My seat is in date but I have some "road" harnesses so not FIA spec, are these OK?
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Re: What do I need to go sprinting?

Post by Carl S » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:24 pm

Thanks, so not a lot seems to have changed since I last sprinted a few years ago apart from the gloves. I came across the timing beam breaker in the garage from my old Elise the other day.
I have flameproof sparco overalls and gloves with 2004 manufactured date, I'll try and get a picture when I can dig them out of the loft to see if they are compliant. Suspect my old helmet from 2008 is not to current regs perhaps :-(

The rule about having two throttle return springs, I have one spring on each of the two IDF carbs, which equals two. Or do they mean two per carb??
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Re: What do I need to go sprinting?

Post by Paul Prescott » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:01 pm

Good to hear you'll be back in action soon, Carl.
There never was a rule about two throttle springs, even though some MSA Scrutineers will try to tell you there is/was. All that was ever required was one "visible/demonstratable" spring per spindle. As some carbs had a hidden rotary spring on the end of the spindle, within the body, it was prudent to provide a traditional tensile coil spring operating on a spindle arm so that it was clear that the throttle would close if any other part of the mechanism failed. I used to find that the extra spring would wear through the end of the spindle arm quite fast, making the thing the weakest link in the mechanism; the internal rotary springs never gave any trouble...
For the current Blue Book wording, see J 5.4.2 on page 146.
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Re: What do I need to go sprinting?

Post by cartledge_uk » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:18 pm

Horney wrote:I'm thinking about this as well and have some further questions.

What is the spec for the overlalls and helmet?
Harnesses and bucket seat- My seat is in date but I have some "road" harnesses so not FIA spec, are these OK?


For sprinting seats and belts are not much of an issue so your good on that front although I might add, my comments are presuming you arein road going. if you strip th ecar you will need a cage etc.

9.1. Clean Flame-Resistant overalls, must be worn to
cover from ankle to wrist to neck.
Acceptable standards:
9.1.1. Racing:
FIA 8856-2000
9.1.2. Special Stage Rallies, Sprints and Hill Climbs:
FIA 8856-2000
FIA 1986 Standard
9.1.3. Karting:
As defined in U.13.3.
9.1.4. All Other Events (including overalls in
accordance with Q.13.1.2):
BS6249 part 1 Index A or B (but not part C).
BSEN533
EN533:1995 Index 3
ISO 14116
FIA 8856-2000
FIA 1986 Standard.
9.1.5. For FIA Standard Overalls the homologation label
will be stitched into the fabric of the garment or on a
sewn in label. For International use overalls must
comply with: FIA 8856-2000
9.1.6. As with any item of safety equipment, evidence of
damage or excessive wear can render it unsuitable for
use. In the case of overalls this could include over
frequent, or incorrect, washing, broken seams or
stitching and worn patches. Two piece overalls should
be avoided, but if worn must overlap and provide flame
resistant coverage.
9.1.7. Due to the complex nature of national test
standards and variations of detailed testing it is not
possible to quote ‘equivalents’ from foreign national
standards unless they are FIA approved as detailed
above.
National test standards are in the process of being
superseded by European norms (CE Marks), which will
provide a common standard throughout Europe.
9.1.8. Individual competitors are responsible for
ensuring their own safety and that appropriate flame
resistant overalls are worn when mandatory.
9.1.9. Competitors are also strongly advised to wear
Flame Resistant gloves, socks, balaclavas and
underwear.
Plastic shoes (such as trainers) should be avoided.
9.1.10. Specific regulations concerning Flame Resistant
gloves, socks, balaclavas and underwear are published
by the FIA and applicable to International events.
9.2. Exceptionally, drivers of three wheeled cars,
competing in accordance with A2.2.1 may wear ACU or
FIM approved leather overalls.
9.3. When a name appears on a driver’s helmet or
overalls, this must be the name of the person wearing
them.
Crash Helmet
serviceable condition. It is strongly recommended that
a flame resistant balaclava, helmet bib or face mask
also be worn.
10.2. Total protection can never be given by any
headgear, and the best of crash helmets may not
entirely prevent head injury or death in a severe
accident. Helmet users must understand that helmets
are deliberately constructed so that the energy of a
severe blow will be absorbed by the helmet and
thereby partially destroy it. The damage may not be
readily apparent; it is essential therefore that any
helmet receiving a blow in an accident is either
replaced or returned to the manufacturer for competent
inspection – this of necessity must be the responsibility
of the helmet user, who will have been aware of the
circumstances under which the helmet was struck. It is
not possible nor indeed reasonable to expect the
scrutineer, in every case, to observe significant
damage. Where there is any doubt about the helmet’s
fitness for its intended purpose then the Chief
Scrutineer is empowered to remove the MSA Approval
Sticker and impound the helmet for the duration of the
meeting. This should be a rare occurrence since
competitors must appreciate that, once a helmet has
served its purpose, it is not only sensible but necessary
to replace it. It is the competitor himself who must
ensure that the helmet which he uses is fully fit for its
purpose; it is clear that this is a small insurance to pay
for one’s life. The competitor also might consider that,
should he survive an accident, but receive head injuries
having knowingly used a previously damaged helmet,
he could be placing an enormous burden of care upon
his family.
10.2.1. Impounding of helmets
Case 1 Pre-Event. If the helmet does not conform with
the required Standards or is in a poor or dangerous
condition, the Chief Scrutineer will impound the helmet
for the duration of the Meeting, removing the MSA
sticker. At the close of the Meeting the helmet will be
returned, as received, with the exception of the MSA
sticker, to the competitor concerned.
Case 2 Accident during the Event. If the competitor is
injured and the helmet is damaged, the Chief
Scrutineer will impound the helmet and remove the
MSA sticker then seek the advice of the Steward as to
further action.
Case 3 Accident during Event and competitor
evacuated to hospital with head injuries. The Chief
Scrutineer will make sure that the helmet has been
seen by the Chief Medical Officer, he will then
impound the helmet and remove the MSA Sticker.
Unless the Chief Medical Officer wishes to retain the
helmet it must be despatched to the Technical
Department at the MSA. Unless specifically called
for by the competitor it will be disposed of after six
weeks.
10.3. The competitor is reminded of the following
essential criteria when buying or using his helmet:
(a) Correct Standard.
(b) Correct Fit.
(c) Security.
(d) Condition.
10.3.1. Standards. Helmets bearing one of the under
mentioned ‘standards’ may be approved by the MSA
subject to other criteria being met. See also
drawing 10.3.1.
(a) INTERNATIONAL EVENTS & ALL MSA EVENTS.
FIA 8860-2004.
FIA 8860-2010.
SNELL SA2010.
SNELL SA2005.
SNELL SA2000*.
SNELL SA2010.
SNELL SAH2010.
SFI Foundation 31.1A, 31.2A.
BS 6658 Type A/FR**.
*May be withdrawn with effect from 01/01/15.
**May be withdrawn with effect from 01/01/16

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Re: What do I need to go sprinting?

Post by cartledge_uk » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:26 pm

So reading that, gloves may not be needed??

So why were the scruits glove checking last year?

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Re: What do I need to go sprinting?

Post by Horney » Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:06 am

I believe the gloves are on top of what cartledge_uk posted.

I think I'll be in road going. The car is supercharged MK1 MX5 with Gaz Golds Pros and some extra bracing and wide wheels, it still has the full interior but I've added a bucket, harnesses and 4 point rear roll cage. I seem to recall a chap having issues running in road going with a 6 speed box becuase the MK1 never had one but I'm still on a 5 speed.
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Re: What do I need to go sprinting?

Post by Carl S » Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:14 pm

Just dug my old helmet & overalls etc out of the cupboard, according to the excerpt from the Blue Book, it looks like they are still compliant as they are FIA 8856-2000 sewn onto the back of the collar. Same standard is in the balaclava, gloves and shoes. The overalls say they were manufactured in 2004, but I can't see anything saying they can be of a certain age, just good condition.

The Helmet is BS6658-85 type A/FR
british standard certified

It also has a MSA blue sticker saying "Helmet approved for motorsport 3610" dated 2007
It doesn't mention any helmet standards in the excerpt above, so I looked on the MSA website which states that BS 6658 Type A/FR is suitable but **May be withdrawn with effect from 01/01/16.

So from this I take it that the overalls and the helmet are all OK unless anyone else tells me otherwise :D
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Re: What do I need to go sprinting?

Post by cartledge_uk » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:34 am

Carl S wrote:Just dug my old helmet & overalls etc out of the cupboard, according to the excerpt from the Blue Book, it looks like they are still compliant as they are FIA 8856-2000 sewn onto the back of the collar. Same standard is in the balaclava, gloves and shoes. The overalls say they were manufactured in 2004, but I can't see anything saying they can be of a certain age, just good condition.

The Helmet is BS6658-85 type A/FR
british standard certified

It also has a MSA blue sticker saying "Helmet approved for motorsport 3610" dated 2007
It doesn't mention any helmet standards in the excerpt above, so I looked on the MSA website which states that BS 6658 Type A/FR is suitable but **May be withdrawn with effect from 01/01/16.

So from this I take it that the overalls and the helmet are all OK unless anyone else tells me otherwise :D

Sounds like your good to go :mrgreen:

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